POST UPDATE: The following letter dated Jan second, was sent out to the LCG ministry by Rod Meredith, in which Rod advises his elders to keep the people ignorant.
Since Bob Thiel is having his say; why is Meredith refusing to present his letter to the brethren?
In any case some of these men disagreed with Rod and have passed the Dec 28 letter around to those who WILL publish it. You will find the Dec 28 letter further down in this post.
I have italicized certain points to highlite them.
Date: January 2, 2013
Dear Fellow Ministers around the world,
Greetings from Charlotte! God is continuing to bless the Work in so many ways— including the fact that we had an approximately 11% increase in our income in 2012. We are very thankful for this and all the growth in our TV coverage, the impact that our Internet and the campaigns are providing, etc. And I am especially thankful for the wonderful response and warmth and enthusiasm we had over the recent 20th Anniversary celebration of the Church. We have much to be thankful for to start 2013.
My purpose in writing all of you ministers is to ask you to read carefully the attached copy of the letter I sent to Dr. Thiel several days ago by email. This will give you a reasonably thorough understanding of the problems he has had over the last few years. So you will be able to answer the questions any of our brethren may have if they are confused or disillusioned in any way by anything Dr. Thiel sends out or says.
However, Dr. Winnail and I both agree that it is best for you not to read this letter to the congregation or share it in any public setting. It is actually better for Dr. Thiel—and the Church as a whole—that he not receive “too much publicity.” Most people already realize that he is often “over the top.” And has not been a reliable source of information in many cases. Also, at least a few dozen people realize his dreams of grandeur and the fact that he is fixated on the fact that he thinks that he is a “prophet.” So because of the above situation, we do not plan to “publically” mark Dr. Thiel at this time. However, if any of you hear of any of our people leaving to join Dr. Thiel or that they are greatly affected by any of his attacks, please let us know.
Thank you, again, for all the work and loyalty you have shown in your individual ministries. Let us all continue to pray for one another, for unity in the body of Christ, and that God’s blessing on the Work may continue even greater in the secular year 2013. May God be with and bless and protect you and your families.
With Christian love, Roderick C. Meredith
OUTREACH SITE: Terrorism and the Syria War: Made in The USA
NEWS: The Israeli elections are going mad, as Likud accuses the president of making a deal to ask the opposition to form a government after the coming vote.
Lieberman’s spokesman says the Likud agreement with Yisrael Beiteinu is to end after the Jan 22nd vote, and that the two parties will sit independently in the Knesset. Lieberman is now denying this report. The Yisrael Beiteinu confusion appears to be a trial balloon for Israel Beiteinu to leave Likud and join a center left peace bloc if Likud/Beiteinu is not asked to form the next government.
These events come as the center left parties are now working to form a Peace Social Justice bloc to defeat Likud/Beiteinu on Jan 22nd.
BOB THIEL and This BLOG
A short time after the fall Feast I posted about the news that the EU leaders were hoping to have a united federal Europe by the next EU elections in Jun 2014.
I wrote that this could speed up or even slow down and even take longer, as it would be the false prophet who would cause this to be set up, and the timing must be according to God’s will and timetable.
Just last week Bob Thiel, using selective quotes that did not include the above point, posted an attempt to say, that I had said that 2013 must be the year that the trib starts.
Interestingly Bob has launched the Bible News Prophecy channel on youtube, his first video being
‘Can the Great Tribulation begin in 2013?’
This deliberate selective quoting to deliberately witness falsely is not just a mistake; it is willful lying. I have asked Bob to correct other such false claims about me which he has not corrected; that too is willful lying.
Each year I count back 1,290 days from a future sixth day of ULB to provide an indication of when the abomination could possibly be set up, IF IF IF that would be the year. I have never published that any year would be the definite set in stone year.
Each year Bob insists that I am setting false dates even though I have taken the time to personally explain this to him, just as I explain it on the blog; he did this again in the above link. More deliberate false witnessing. A wilful lying prophet is a false prophet indeed!
FOR THE RECORD
1) I have consistently said for the past almost six years, that the trib will begin about 75 days AFTER the final false prophet [the abomination] is set up in the papacy, whatever the year.
2) It is this abomination who will bring the new Europe into existence.
3) At the same time there will come a declaration of “peace and safety” which will result in sudden “unexpected” almost immediate destruction of the Jewish state.
4) Since a peace deal is to come; it will be necessary to reset the realities in the region, and a regional war and political change is necessary before any peace deal.
5) Finally I have never claimed to be an apostle, prophet or any such thing. I have only said that I was a watcher, reporting on the rise and fall of events as they flow inexorably towards the coming of our Mighty Savior and Helper.
I have tried to share what understanding I may have, and tried to excite a zeal and enthusiasm for study and spiritual development; and a deep personal relationship with God, based on love for God and the diligent KEEPING of all of his commandments.
I said last year; that when this war takes place; political change in Israel and surrounding nations happens; and a genuine dialogue for peace takes place; there will be about an 80% chance for the trib.
And when this pope dies and is replaced; if the new pope is the abomination, who will be identified by doing miracles and bringing the New Europe into existence, and schedules a visit to the Holy Place; the trib will begin when he makes his visit to the Holy Place about 75 days after he was set up in the papacy.
We must watch for the biblical signs which could happen in 2013 or in another subsequent year.
Present world events indicate that these signs are imminent, however we must watch for their exact fulfillment.
My Analysis of The Meredith Letter.
Below is the Rod Meredith letter which was sent out to Bob Thiel Although Rod and I would have many differences, this letter reveals the true Bob Thiel as I have come to know him.
To begin we must understand that this present situation developed over several years.
Several years ago Thiel was flattering Meredith and the LCG leadership handsomely, calling them the leaders of the Philadelphian Church of God, the only remaining true pillars of the faith.
Meredith and the LCG leadership lapped this flattery up and responded by encouraging and flattered Bob to continue with his efforts. At that point they felt that Bob was an asset to LCG and wanted the pubic pronouncements of the greatness of LCG to continue.
This was a mutual admiration society and I am quite convinced that Meredith did encourage and flatter Bob by telling him that he might become a prophet. Meredith admits this in his letter although he makes excuses and later contradicts himself.
Over time the situation began to get out of hand as Bob gains popularity in LCG, writes his outrageous books and begins to try and tell Meredith and company what to do. Bob insists on changes to LCG material; often to better reflect Bob’s own strange ideas.
Then Bob sets up his own publishing company and begins making radio interviews to push his personal opinions; instead of remaining loyal to Meredith’s decisions and LCG teachings. Bob was clearly trying to take over LCG and dominate its leadership while setting himself up for a prophetic ministry teaching material not sanctioned by LCG. I have reported several times that Bob was an Absalom trying to take over dominance of LCG.
Then Bob took strong exception with certain new teachings that Meredith and company have accepted, and Bob make that disagreement well known in LCG lobbying elders on the matter; which deeply offended those elders, Meredith and company.
At this stage Bob is told to back off and toe the line, and Bob takes the position that he is a prophet [even though he was only told that he might eventually become one] and no one can tell him anything.
Bob has been a false witness and has established his teachings based on ancient Catholicism, quotes of which fill his sites. There is no doubt that he is a false prophet like Ron Weinland. It is just sad that Meredith and company were tolerant of Bob as long as Bob flattered them. However it is good news that they have finally woken up to what Bob really is.
It seems apparent at this time that very very few in LCG will leave to follow Bob, and that Bob will not have the hundreds of tithing brethren that Weinland had.
Bob Thiel characterized this letter as being full of error. After a careful reading and analysis I think that in the circumstances, the letter is overwhelmingly accurate, and is as full of love as any letter that I have seen from a COG leader.
Bob [the master at spin, twist and deceit] is not happy that the truth is coming out and falsely writes in his blog: As expected, some associated with the LCG ministry have leaked the 12/28/13 letter to me to anti-COG sources on the internet. They can later try to explain this to God as obviously several with insufficient love of the truth or trust in the word of God would not actually want to first talk to me to find out if these things are so (Matthew 18:15-20). The reality is that that letter contains false accusations, improper statements, and a variety of false statements
ADMIN: In fact it was Bob who condemned Rod’s letter without a single example of error or wrong statements; then Bob proceeded to lay out his own public attack on the letter at his blog. Bob has already had his chance to have his say, while denying Rod THE SAME OPPORTUNITY for public exposure.
As usual Bob wants it all his way. I am posting this full letter to set the record straight and to balance off Bob’s postings about the matter.
It was Bob who attacked Rod’s letter FIRST, without even posting the letter itself! Bob just loves to attack others, just as long as the whole truth does not come out!
I have italiced areas of exceptional interest.
Dear Dr. Thiel,
Admin: Rod is responding to a chronology submitted to LCG on Bob’s take on his status as a prophet. After submitting this paper to Dexter, Bob phoned Rod every day for a week seeking to discuss the matter of his being a prophet with Rod.
I have carefully read and marked your paper to Dexter Wakefield on the “Chronology
Related to Bob Thiel and Evangelistic and Related Matters.” Since this matter relates
to your relationship with the Church as a whole and your entire future, I have decided
to answer this matter myself. I have prayed that for your own good and your future
reward in God’s Kingdom, you will sincerely ask God at this time to give you an open
mind and willing heart to heed Almighty God’s instruction in Proverbs 15:31-33:
“The ear that hears the rebukes of life will abide among the wise. He who disdains
instruction despises his own soul, but he who heeds rebuke gets understanding.
The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom, and before honor is humility.”
Bob, I have personally liked you, wanted to encourage you and have tried to work
with you for years. However, I have seen that you have had great difficulty in learning
the lessons of deep humility that God wants all of us to learn. With very few
exceptions, nearly everyone who knows you has clearly seen that—although you
have a quick mind and great energy—you have nearly always thought very highly of
yourself and of your own opinions. You have offended or at least “bugged” dozens of
Church members with this very self-important, pushy and “know-it-all” attitude and
approach. So if I, as a minister of Christ for over 60 years and one old enough to be
your father—can help you, I would certainly like to do this. For I love you as a fellow
human being and one I have known and shared a number of hours with in talking
over matters related to the Bible and our entire purpose here on this earth.
However, Bob, your own remarkable vanity and “dreams of greatness” have greatly
affected your ability to think clearly many times. Over the last few years, many of us
have noted that you have begun to think of yourself in terms that are not realistic.
Also, to abet your desires to be a “great one” in the Work, you have carefully and
cleverly twisted and enlarged upon many things people have mentioned to you.
Throughout this entire “chronology” paper you have done this over and over. Recently,
I had a meeting with Messrs. Ames, Winnail, Wakefield and my son, Jim, to discuss
this paper you sent to Mr. Wakefield (and now I see you have also sent it to Messrs.
Tyler and Weston). All of us in the meeting except Mr. Wakefield have gotten to know
you somewhat and have heard many others express concern about your egotistical
ideas that you believe you are a prophet or one of the two witnesses. I will not take the
time to argue about every single point you bring up in your paper; that is not the
important matter. I will just say that over and over you subtly twist, enlarge upon or
exaggerate many of the things you think you heard—some of which you may have
“partially heard” but enlarged upon in your own mind and received in a way that was
not intended by the one doing the speaking. Near the very beginning of your paper
you try to quote Gary Ehman as saying that God has used you to “prepare the
Church” and then you go way beyond what Mr. Ehman intended to say.
Then, you did the same thing relating to the January 6, 2000 incident about me saying, “That is you”
in relation to Roman Catholic prophecies. Then, you indicate that you told Davy
Crockett that I was going to be “hit” with something bad to teach me a lesson. Then,
you indicate that the “mini-stroke” I had in September 2008 was in fulfillment of that
prophecy. Bob, I never knew that you had given such a prophecy and never felt that
this min-stroke I had at age 78 was any sort of “fulfillment” of anything you had ever
said! Bob, do you really believe that you “prophesied” to my having a stroke, and that
it was a direct result of my not heeding correction from you? I strongly suggest you
consider Proverbs 16:18, “Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a
ADMIN: Here Meredith admits to encouraging Bob but tries to excuse it. I do wonder why Bob was even in contact with Rod during his recovery.
Then your letter goes to October 3, 2008 where you say that I said, “God may
consider you to be a prophet.” Bob, as you well know, I had my stroke in September
2008 and was still very weak and disoriented as a result of it. That you would take
anything that I said in that time period and try to use it is not right. I do not ever
remember saying anything like that, and I can assure you that I have never thought
you might be a prophet! But if I did make some kind of statement in this regard, I was
simply trying to encourage you to go on and grow in your understanding of the Bible
and willingness to serve. Then you go to January 2009 where you say I told you that if
I was raised to the office of apostle, I was “considering ordaining Bob Thiel as a
prophet.” That, Bob, is simply not true! For I have never, at any time—considered
ordaining you as a prophet. This is not because I don’t “like” you, but rather because I
have understood for years your tendency to bring in “odd” or “Catholic prophesies” or
put unusual twists on scripture in such a way that no true prophet of God would ever
You are probably correct in your statement that in the Spring/Summer of 2009 I may
have told you that I was “praying for the success” of your prophetic book. For I have
tried to be your friend and encourage you without giving you delusions of “grandeur.”
However, it appears that any encouraging thing that I or most anyone else has told
you seems to be adding to this “delusions of grandeur” feeling you have about
Then, in your paper, you go on to describe your meeting with me in Panama City and
later with Dibar Apartian who, you say, “believed” then that God had a top prophetic
role for Bob Thiel. However, all of us who knew Mr. Apartian at that time and have
talked to him many times about these matters know that Mr. Apartian did not think of
you as a prophet. You can easily ascertain that by talking to Mrs. Apartian, Mr. Ames,
Dr. Winnail and all of us. Bob, since you have this powerful feeling of “greatness” you
often “read into” what anyone says. This kind of idea of you being a prophet that is
pounding away in the back of your mind is once again causing you to twist your own
memory of what is said by others.
ADMIN: Bob tries to be annointed as prophet by sleaze tactics
Later in the paper, you talk about Dr. Fall and Gary Ehman being approached by you
about your desire to “have hands laid upon you” in order to ask for healing and for
wisdom before meeting with evangelists here at Headquarters. As you point out, they
did not agree to do so. Then on December 15,2011 you went to Gaylyn Bonjour and
asked him to anoint you for an apparent physical ailment, but also asked him to ask
God to give you wisdom in the upcoming meetings with the HQ Evangelists. He
agreed to do this and, as is his normal approach—he can be emotional and heartfelt
about the matter and asked God to grant you a “double-portion of His Holy Spirit.”
ADMIN: First I think that Bob probably put this idea in the man’s mind. Second Bob should know that asking does not automatically mean receiving.
Others have told me that, being partly of French ancestry, Mr. Bonjour is often
emotional and very heartfelt when he anoints anyone. Mr. Bonjour has confirmed he
in no way was intending to ask God to make you a prophet! Yet, because of your
vivid imagination and fervent desire to exalt yourself to that role, you “took it” that
way—as you do so with many other things.
Then you go on to somehow try to indicate that you had special knowledge about how
my wife was to be “hit hard with something.” Consequently when it was announced in
January that she had come down with cancer, you deluded yourself into believing that
you had somehow prophesied this to happen. Nothing could be further from the truth!
She had not been feeling well for months, and the stage four diagnosis indicated that
this cancer had been growing inside her body for many months. Constantly, in your
paper, you seem to be “reading into” events that indicate you were given something
special by God about such matters.
ADMIN: Now a little double talk from both sides about prophets. The fact is that only God calls his prophets, who are his personal representatives. No prophet has ever been made a prophet by ordination of men. Even in cases where a man did ordain a prophet, he was commanded to do so directly by God.
Then, you indicate that you feel that “only a
member of the eldership is required to anoint one as a prophet” and use 1 Timothy
4:14 as a proof text. Bob, 1 Timothy 4:14 is clearly, in context, talking about the gift of
God’s Holy Spirit given to Timothy as a Christian—not the office of a prophet.
Certainly, all of us have the laying on of hands by the eldership after baptism to
receive God’s Spirit. But this Scripture is not talking about becoming a prophet, but
receiving God’s Spirit to help Timothy, “be an example to the believers in word, in
conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity”
By “reading into” things that others tell you, the idea that you might be a prophet,
you have deceived yourself—willingly of course—so that your mind is now
virtually “fixated” on the idea that you, are a “prophet” of God.
ADMIN: Here Meredith again is confused in saying that all the leaders must recognize a prophet. God’s prophets were accepted by those with God’s spirit who were zealously keeping the teachings and commandments of Christ; which neither LCG nor any of the other major COG Groups do. By compromising in the practical application of God’s commandments the spirit of God which recognizes God’s own is quenched.
LCG calls the Sabbath holy and then proceeds to trample all over it; this and making an idol out of men, traditions and the organization, have quenched God’s spirit; so that these men would not recognize a prophet of God; I dare say that if Jesus himself were to appear to them, they would reject him as being false.
However, what you utterly fail to recognize is that a true prophet of God—in God’s
New Testament times—has always been clearly recognized as such by the ministry
already in high offices in God’s Church; who are shown by Christ—the living Head of
the Church that this person is in that office. Such an individual has always been
cooperative with those doing the Work and has never “set himself up” all on his own
to contradict, to compete, or to be a “lone wolf out there” doing his own thing to exalt
Although you think you are not like “Ron Weinland” or others who have done this kind
of thing, your present statements and writings indicate that that is exactly what you
are becoming. Therefore, as the one Christ Himself has put in the office of Presiding
Evangelist and leading minister in the Church of God doing the Work of God at this
ADMIN: Now that is a big assumption. It was Rod who placed himself in office over a new organization that he himself created after he was legally removed in Global. In fact to a very large degree Bob is only following the example of Rod Meredith.
I want to tell you, in love, that you need to realize you are not a prophet, nor are
you recognized as such by the Church or by Christ’s true ministry whom He has set in
authority in His Church. You need to humble yourself and recognize that authority for
your own good. If you end up “fighting” or “competing” with the Work of the living God,
ADMIN: Of course Rod is asking Bob to humble himself before Rod Meredith, and not before Almighty God. ALL of these men should humble themsleves before God and turn to Christ in zealous enthusiasm for his teachings and commandments.
God will deal with you and He will humble you in ways that we do not now fully
understand. For “whom God loves He chastens, and scourges every son whom He
receives” (Hebrews 12:6).
At my age and in my office for so many years, Bob, I can sincerely tell you that I have
no feelings of hate or competition with you. I simply want to help you “wake up”
before it is too late. I pray that God will help you to understand and heed what I am
now telling you as a servant of Jesus Christ who has faithfully served Him full time for
over 60 years. Please be willing to listen and to heed what I am saying in the name
of Jesus Christ!
Bob, you made the statement in your letter, “…his then pastor (Dr. Fall)…” indicating
that you may no longer consider yourself a member of the Living Church of God. If
that is not the case, and if you are willing to repent, to listen and take correction, and
continue to be a part of the Living Church of God,
ADMIN: Here Rod demands a decision from Bob Thiel.
I do ask you, in Jesus’ name to let
us know. If you are unwilling to heed the loving correction given in this letter, and
insist on cleaving to your view of yourself as a “prophet”, let us know this also and we
will understand that you have chosen to trod a different path separate from the Living
Church of God. At least you can be open and honest about this. As the physical
leader of God’s Church, I have an obligation to protect the brethren from wolves, and
I take this responsibility seriously. If you turn aside and try to draw others to follow
you down this dangerous path, we will have to do everything we can to protect God’s
I have prayed for you and will pray for you much more in the days to come—asking
God to guide you in His love for your eternal good. I do ask you to let us hear from
you as I have indicated above. Our prayers will be with you, not against you. May
God guide you to do His will, and not your own.